When a Comment Says "Had to Guess"

I don't know what solvers mean when they say they had to guess.
I use what I call Edge Technique. Either mentally or using the circle, I place them where it would help to eliminate some squares. These are at edges. Then looking at the crossing clues, I can see if it works or doesn't. If it doesn't, I can eliminate the end square. Then keep working on it. This is also logic - finding where there cannot be positives.
I would think that a "guess" would be a random place where one would place a positive. This is not logic.
BB

As for me, I am starting to get quite annoyed with the '...but I had to guess' comments. Not the comment itself, of course there are solvers who don't know the advanced solving techniques, sometimes needed to solve a tricky puzzles, but the fact that most people who write that will not give the puzzle, nor the author the proper respect they deserve. I notice that the amount of low ratings on puzzles that have a lot of those comments tend to be a lot lower then on other puzzles without those comments. From that I deduct that users give ratings based on their own solving abilities, not on the quality of the puzzles!!

I have to admit that I still have some puzzles in my saved-list that I have been unable to solve without using logic alone, mostly 4 or more colored puzzles, but I am sure I will require the techniques to solving those as well someday.

I make an offer here for everyone...If anyone encounters a puzzle in which (s)he thinks guessing is required, send me a message, or post a screenshot in the 'get help' forum, I am 200% sure that me, or any of the other users can provide you with a logical way to continue the puzzle. Asking for help makes you only a better solver, meaning that you will enjoy the puzzles you try to solve a LOT more, believe me, solving a difficult puzzle with logic gives a lot more satisfaction than guessing...

Maarten

I use the same technique you do around the edges of the puzzle, but I have always thought of that as guessing, because I am starting with the assumption (guess) that the filled square is in the corner, and then progressing from that 'guess' until I run in to an error (or complete the puzzle). If I do run into an error then I go back to the saved puzzle, eliminate the corner square and start over again with a 'guess' that the filled square will be in column 2.

Now you are telling me that is logic not guessing, so maybe other solvers who say they guessed are really using the same technique but don't consider it logic.

When I'm totaly stuck (as with some parts of "full of ghosts" that I'm working on right now) I pick one square, and from that i start solving using X to mark filled squares until I find an error, and then I mark the first square as background. I have always considered that guessing, but i guess it is some kind of logic behind it :-)

I've often wondered if these could all be solved with what I would call "pure" logic. That is, there is always a square that can be completed with what is already known. Now it seems that the answer is no. The only way to complete many puzzles is to use "guessing," or "trial and error." I guess this can also be considered logic at some level, but in my book it's not "pure logic." Is this pretty much the gist of it? Thanks for any responses!

Jerry

Hello, I'm not a very good solver even if I've been visiting regularly this site for several years now  (didn't read the tutorials yet: I just discovered in another post they existed) and I've written this "had to guess" not a long time ago. For me, it was because I couldn't find any validation that my tries were good or not until a quite long time, and then proving me wrong. In desperation, I just guessed where the heck I was supposed to find a wing in this butterfly and then going on from this point, and it's something I find frustrating.

By the way, the picture was really gorgeous and my frustration didn't stop me to highly rate it.