[quote="Irashtar"]read through all the tutorials again, I'm going crazy. I've bounded in the yellow as best I can, but am blind to the logic that is putting white in http://www.griddlers.net:8080/phpBB2/download.php?id=115

Heck, I'm still fuzzy on the white I did put on mine, would you please elaborate the logic?

Hi Irashtar,

Forget about logic in that first image I uploaded, I was desparate at the time and all that is in it was put there by trial and error. I'm not saying the whites are wrong, but I won't be able to explain what's the logic behind them :? As you can see in

**this** screenshot I uploaded later, there is no white to be found in the top rows for some time if you want to solve it by logic alone.

I've reread wiggle's post over and over, I understand his second hint, the one his image displays, but all the stuff below is driving me bonkers.

For the first column I think you can colour in quite a few cells white by logically thinking that there is a yellow cell in the second column so the only way to have that is by having a black cell before it. So since the second column column starts with 14 "o"'s you know that the first 12 cells in the first column must be white. (Though I see you have done that.) You can do this a little farther down plus use the same logic for the bottom. (Maybe you have but your screenshot got chopped off.) I'm unsure whether or not this logic is SLS (single line solving) though. Maybe SLS is a bit different for colour pictures.

Be glad you understand the second hint, that's the most important one and it was a real eyeopener for me. More tricks like this are explained in the

**lessons** by the way. The bit you quoted is about the two most left columns. You need a yellow cell in the 2nd column and there aren't really that many places where it can be, because most rows start with 2 blacks or more. Left of this yellow cell has to be a black one, because none of the rows starts with yellow. As there is only one clue in the first column, that whole clue has to be in reach of the yellow clue. So all the cells that are further than 3 cells away from a place that can be yellow, can't be black.

LOL, I hope this makes sense... Have a look at my screenshot and let me know if it is clear!

Jelga

PS Don't be desparate if you do understand this and still can't solve this puzzle. It is a really hard one - unless you solve it by Zen instead of logic - but you'll need Sslugs help for that