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Do we need comments?
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16/04/04 07:49
A new idea that came up during the meeting was having the option to write a comment for a complete MultiGriddler. It would be available only for the people who solved all of the parts, of course.

Since we talked about comments - the old, known discussion about the necessity of the comments came up again. We will always have comments like "I was here" or "too easy" even though these comments are meaningless. We will always have mean comments, and bad language comments. We will always have people who hurt others and people who get hurt.

Do we need the comments? We would like to know what the rest of you think.

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 05:55 en réponse à hagitm.
Having created a few puzzles, I know that I enjoy reading what other people thought of my puzzles. Also, I like reading comments on other puzzles. Sometimes it helps me to understand what i am seeng and sometimes it helps me to decide if I even want to solve the puzzle at that time and sometimes it just puts a smile on my face.
Yes, I think we should keep the comments.
--HSpring

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 06:15 en réponse à hagitm.
Hi,
I think comments are important to creaters. Of course the rude and meaningless one's suck but the real one's that show enthusiasm for a great puzzle or suggest ways to make something better are a must. To bad rude people exist. I do think that if a person scores your puzzle a zero it should be set up so they have to leave a comment on reason why they disliked or score won't count towards puzzle. I say this because i've had a few puzzles that everyone scored 75% 0r better and along comes a zero with no reason why they disliked it so much. It may sound dumb but even if comment was rude at least I could determine if the Zero was a reflection on my creativity or if that zero came from a mean solver. Not knowing why zeros have been given really eat at me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 07:14 en réponse à hagitm.
I agree with onenafreak69...
I just wanted to add that if I get a realy good comment then I write a thank you massage in the massage box...
I think that the good comments, as well as the ones who makes me lough, makes me do more and more puzzles...
Anyway, this is my chance to say thanks to all of you, who like my puzzels...
I love you all!!!
Liri748

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 08:16 en réponse à hagitm.
Although I guess I wouldn't miss the mean or stupid comments, if the comments section was totally removed, I would miss it. It's interesting to see what other people thought of the puzzle, and it is just another small way to build community here. Many people never come to the message boards, but I would have to think most people at least glance at the comments.

Gives you a bit of an idea of what the other people who play here are like.

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 10:53 en réponse à hagitm.
>Do we need the comments? We would like to know what the rest of you think.
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I really appreciate the opportunity to say something when I solve a particularly wonderful puzzle - either due to color or design. However, if the negative comments are cause for designers to not make more puzzles, the cost of having comments available may be greater than the benefit.

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 10:58 en réponse à hagitm.
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>Do we need the comments? We would like to know what the rest of you think.
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Also, I often rely upon the comments to help me decide whether to solve a puzzle - when browsing a group of puzzles, I look for a puzzle where the comments are especially positive. This can be even more informative than the vote... because I like great pictures and great shading in puzzles.

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 12:45 en réponse à hagitm.
Please keep the comments. I always read them.

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 13:58 en réponse à hagitm.
Personally, I don't think public comments are necessary. The ones that have any meaning often give away unwanted information about the puzzle and can detract from the fun of solving. I try not to look at the comments before solving a puzzle. While not as convenient, maybe sending comments directly to the author would be an option. I understand that feedback is important to authors and can help them improve, at times. But I've seen very few constructive or helpful comments posted. I think that voting is much more effective.

Twinmom

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 14:56 en réponse à hagitm.
Keep the comments please, because I always read them and I like it if there are lots of comments for a puzzle, and also, they give you an idea about the puzzle, sometimes, "very easy" comments motivate me to finish and get the points, or "too cute" comments make me wonder aboout the finished puzzle...
Maybe there can be choices for comments, if a solver doesn't want to see the comments, he can turn it off in his profile choices, or in the puzzle pages.. I don't know..it is just my opinion, i like comments..
BEga
PSlast chat meeting was late for me to attend, sorry for that.(I haave to 3 hours to GMT)

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 15:12 en réponse à hagitm.
Sorry, was at the meeting but my computer decided to play up.

I personally only read the comments occasionally and wouldn't miss them if they were gone, but agree that the creators of the puzzles need some sort of feedback.

The reason I wouldn't miss them is some of the rude, really negative comments, especially about some of the simpler puzzles, surely they are meant to be simple and help the kiddlers section, or people or have just discovered this type of puzzle or an authors first attempt at a puzzle. Negative comments can put the creators off and they never bother again and they might just have some brilliant ideas that we never get to see.

I like all the puzzles, simple or otherwise, I don't mind what the pic is of it's the solving that matters to me.

Just as I was chucked off last night i did suggest having a system similar to auction sites, where you can make comments, and then it's the choice of the user whether or not they read them, or a link to message the author directly rather then listing them on the puzzle page, and a link to read them if you wish, don't know if this would be difficult to do or take too much time etc. but they are my suggestions )

Nikki

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 16:11 en réponse à hagitm.
>A new idea that came up during the meeting was having the option to write a comment for a complete MultiGriddler. It would be available only for the people who solved all of the parts, of course.
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>Since we talked about comments - the old, known discussion about the necessity of the comments came up again. We will always have comments like "I was here" or "too easy" even though these comments are meaningless. We will always have mean comments, and bad language comments. We will always have people who hurt others and people who get hurt.
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>Do we need the comments? We would like to know what the rest of you think.
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i Personally never read them so wouldn't miss them!
Pen

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 16:12 en réponse à hagitm.
Since this is an international site, I've found puzzles that mean nothing to me. Comments posted by other solvers have included explanations and insight to the puzzle's meaning that I find helpful. A good example is the griddler titled "IKEA."

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 16:27 en réponse à hagitm.
As a creator, I really look forward to the comments people make about the puzzle. Most are good for a laugh or a smile which is all the reward I'm looking for.

As a solver, I find the comments can be very helpful. Comments noting that two colours are virtually identical have potentially saved me from having problems with the puzzle.

Even negative comments, when constructive, can be helpful in improving the creators next masterpiece. (Emphasis on CONSTRUCTIVE!)

Therefore, I think the benefits of comments far outweigh any negativity.

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 16:45 en réponse à hagitm.
I can't believe anyone gets upset by the comments - even if they're not constructive! Let's keep them in please

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 16:54 en réponse à hagitm.
Rashea, That is just what I was going to say. With a culturally diverse group, sometimes one doesn't recognize the result and the comments help one understand it.

I don't entirely understand the concerns about comments revealing the result. At the size I usually keep my window, the comments are off screen when I open a puzzle. If I want to see them, I scroll down. If you don't want to see the comments before you solve the puzzle, you don't have to.

I also think it is nice to be able to tell people when a puzzle was much easier than its difficulty rating so they can be encouraged to try it anyway.

I realize comments mean some work for the griddler's team because they sometimes have to remove a comment, but they do add something to the site.

>Since this is an international site, I've found puzzles that mean nothing to me. Comments posted by other solvers have included explanations and insight to the puzzle's meaning that I find helpful. A good example is the griddler titled "IKEA."

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 18:25 en réponse à hagitm.
I don't think we really 'need' comments, but I really like them. The only ones that leave footprints in my heart are the nice ones, so please let the possibility for comments in. And a lot of comments make me smile.

It would be nice to add an extra click or an on/off option for comments for those people that want to solve a puzzle without any clues first. Especially when the title of the puzzle is meant to make the outcome a surprise I like to refrain from reading comments till after solving.

Having the comment section turned off in the kiddlers section is a good idea however. Maybe comment could be turned of if the creator is a kid as well? Technically difficult maybe, but it would be nice. Comment on a kid author is always possible by a personal message anyway.

Tnx 4 listening,

Caro

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 21:12 en réponse à hagitm.
I really wait first comments when I have posted a griddler. Good or bad.
I already know these couple of peoples with rude comments, they doesn't bother me. People afrait many times to say crative comments or say anything negative about the griddler.
Ofcourse it is heartwarming to read nice comments, but I really like to know how I can make my griddlers better. All critic is welcome to me.

I like a lot to read comments about other creators works too. It's fun, and I have really learned new things from comments. (Now I know what is Ankh.)
Mari

Re: Do we need comments?
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17/04/04 23:57 en réponse à hagitm.
I vote to keep the comments.

Re: Do we need comments?
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18/04/04 02:31 en réponse à hagitm.
Personally, can the comments. I rarely (if ever) read them, and it's just tying up server space and processing power.

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